When the president meets the pope

When President Barack Obama meets Thursday at the Vatican with Pope Francis, it will be the 28th time that a sitting American president has met with the man who leads the Catholic Church and its estimated 1.2 billion faithful worldwide.

For nearly 140 years after America won its independence, presidents didn’t look at a meeting with the pope as a hot ticket. The dominance of Protestants in the new nation, persistent questions about who really led the Catholic Church and from where, to say nothing of the difficulties of travel, all made such summits impossible.

That changed in 1919, when Woodrow Wilson became the first U.S. president to be granted a papal audience. John F. Kennedy, America’s only Catholic president, made his Vatican pilgrimage just a few months before his assassination in 1963. Jimmy Carter played host in 1979 to the first White House visit by a reigning pope. George W. Bush holds the record for papal greeting; he met with two popes during his eight years in office, holding a total of six meetings.

Popes frequently criticize U.S. policy — legal abortion, the death penalty and the war in Iraq have all been targets. And presidents’ papal audiences are famously steeped in ceremony, with the Vatican’s Swiss Guard in full regalia accompanying the president and women from the U.S. delegation wearing veils.

But that doesn’t mean there aren’t lighter moments.

Jim Nicholson, who served as Bush’s ambassador to the Vatican from 2001 to 2005, recalled how Pope John Paul II lightened the mood when he welcomed Bush for their third and final meeting in June 2004.

Bush, who was taking a beating in the media over the Iraq War, which the pope had opposed, walked into their meeting room escorted by an American cardinal, Edmund Szoka.

The pope slumped in his chair, weighed down physically by the ravages of Parkinson's disease.

“How are you feeling this morning, Holy Father?” Szoka asked. The pope said nothing. The cardinal repeated the question. John Paul struggled to raise his head, and it looked like he was trying to smile. 

He looked at Szoka, then at Bush, then back.

“I don’t know yet,” the pope said slowly. “I haven’t had a chance to read the American press.”

“They had had their deep division over Iraq,” Nicholson said in an interview with Yahoo News. But “here was the pope, expressing a kind of solidarity with President Bush, who was getting whacked in the press.”

Thursday’s meeting is Obama’s first face-to-face with Pope Francis, an Argentine-born former nightclub bouncer whose sky-high popularity around the world recalls the president’s own high standing in 2008.

The commander in chief of the world’s only superpower has often expressed admiration for the leader of one of the globe’s “spiritual superpowers.” And Obama is hardly alone: Republican House Speaker John Boehner has extended an open-ended invitation for Francis to become the first pope to ever address a joint session of Congress.

By the time Woodrow Wilson held the first recorded president-pope powwow in January 1919, the two had exchanged a series of written notes.

The two had chiefly corresponded about the negotiations to end World War I.

“Humanity has its eyes fixed on the great President of the greatest democracy in the world,” the pope wrote Wilson on Nov. 8, 1918.

When Wilson and Pope Benedict XV came face to face on Jan. 4, 1919, the president’s doctor chronicled the meeting in his diary. “The entrance of His Holiness was announced by the tinkling of a small bell,” Cary T. Grayson wrote. “He was small of stature, not more than five feet four inches, and apparently weighed about one hundred and thirty pounds.”

It took 40 more years for the next audience — the Great Depression, World War II and virulent anti-Catholic sentiment in the United States threw up obstacles between American presidents and popes.

In 1928, for example, New York Gov. Al Smith — Herbert Hoover’s Democratic rival — had to contend with editorial cartoons showing him kneeling to the pope, as well as whisper campaigns that he would annul Protestant marriages and forbid Americans from owning Bibles.

Dwight D. Eisenhower’s Dec. 6, 1959, meeting set the pattern presidents have followed ever since: Every chief executive has met at least once with the pope.

Reporters entered the room to find the president, the pope and some of their closest aides “roaring with laughter,” according to Gen. Vernon Walters, a U.S. military adviser.

Why? The Italian-born pope had observed that he spoke French, Bulgarian and Turkish but struggled with his English lessons. Eisenhower asked how the effort was going. The pope replied: “The more I study English, the more I realize that papal infallibility does not cover pronunciation.”

Kennedy faced some of the same ugliness that helped to doom Smith’s campaign. Norman Vincent Peale, perhaps the country’s most influential Protestant pastor, suggested that Kennedy’s election would erode the boundary between church and state. Kennedy’s formal rebuttal is the stuff of political campaign legend.

Kennedy sent a delegation to Pope Paul VI’s installation ceremony in June 1963 and met with him at the Vatican on July 2, 1963.

An undated note from the pope to the president is addressed “To Our Beloved Son, John F. Kennedy, President of the United States of America.” That’s the State Department’s translation, anyway: The original note was in Latin.

The pope gave the visiting president several gifts, including a signed photograph, a replica of Michelangelo’s Pieta and a copy of his remarks welcoming Kennedy back to the Vatican 30 years after accompanying his parents to the coronation of Pope Pius XII.

“Unfortunately, the Pope declined to sign this document,” a U.S. Embassy staffer wrote to a White House aide. “This may diminish its souvenir value somewhat.”

In 1979, Carter became the first president to welcome a pope to the White House. But it was Ronald Reagan who found in the Vatican one of his most important Cold War allies.

John Paul II, the first Polish pope, did not hesitate to challenge Moscow and preach the cause of religious freedom, a direct blow at communism.

Bush credited John Paul II with inspiring his policy restricting government funding for embryonic stem cell research. While the pope famously came out strongly against the invasion of Iraq, Nicholson notes that John Paul II lent moral authority to the war in Afghanistan.

Nicholson’s first meeting fell on Sept. 13, 2001, with America — and the world — reeling from the terrorist attacks two days earlier.

“We met in his library. He was still ambulatory and came to the door to welcome me,” the ambassador told Yahoo News. “It was all pretty regal for a farm boy.” The two men set aside their prepared remarks.

“We sat down, said a prayer for the victims of 9/11. He was grieving as heavily as I was,” Nicholson said. “He said, ‘We have to stop these people who kill in the name of God.’”

“It was a real affirmative statement for us that really helped us put the coalition together in Europe to go into Afghanistan because he had lent his moral authority,” he said.

Obama hopes to capture a bit of that as well. Francis might raise the issue of the Affordable Care Act’s mandate to cover contraception. The pope might also express concerns about the plight of Christians across the Middle East. But the president has made clear that Francis’s appeal to battle poverty and inequality resonates with him.

“I am especially looking forward to returning to the Vatican next month to meet His Holiness, Pope Francis, whose message about caring for the ‘least of these’ is one that I hope all of us heed,” the president said at the National Prayer Breakfast one month ago. “Like Matthew, he has answered the call of Jesus, who said ‘follow me,’ and he inspires us with his words and deeds, his humility, his mercy and his missionary impulse to serve the cause of social justice.”

Truth Regarding Rapture, Tribulation, Jesus' 2nd Coming And The Anti-Christ

Matthew 24:29-31

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Where in the Bible does it say the tribulation is 7 years in duration, and the Rapture precedes the tribulation?

If you point me to Daniel 9:24-27; please listen to the following audio: Truth about Preterism, Futurism, Anti-Christ, Rapture and 70 Weeks of Daniel - Tom Friess



The 70 weeks of Daniel were 490 literal years that was a period of probation for national Israel:

Dan 9:24-27 (KJV)

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem [457 B.C., Ezra 7] unto [the coming of] the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks [7 + 62 =  69 weeks, 27 A.D.]: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two [62] weeks shall Messiah [the prince] be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the [Titus] prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he [Messiah the Prince] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [7 years]: and in the midst of the [70th] week [31 A.D.] he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease [be crucified as the lamb of God], and for [because of] the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Original 1599 Geneva Bible Footnotes

Daniel 9:24-27

Da 9:24

Seventy {a} weeks are determined upon {b} thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the {c} transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

(a) He alludes to Jeremiah's prophecy, who prophesied that their captivity would be seventy years: but now God's mercy would exceed his judgment seven times as much, which would be 490 years, even until the coming of Christ, and so then it would continue forever.

(b) Meaning Daniel's nation, over whom he was careful.

(c) To show mercy and to put sin out of remembrance.

Da 9:25

Know therefore and understand, [that] from {d} the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven {e} weeks, and {f} threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

(d) That is, from the time that Cyrus gave them permission to depart.

(e) These weeks make forty-nine years, of which forty-six are referred to the time of the building of the temple, and three to the laying of the foundation.

(f) Counting from the sixth year of Darius, who gave the second commandment for the building of the temple are sixty-two weeks, which make 434 years, which comprehend the time from the building of the temple until the baptism of Christ.

Da 9:26

And after threescore and two {g} weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but {h} not for himself: and the people of the {i} prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

(g) In this week of the seventy, will Christ come and preach and suffer death.

(h) He will seem to have no beauty, nor to be of any estimation; Isa 53:2 .

(i) Meaning Titus, Vespasians's son, who would come and destroy both the temple, and the people, without any hope of recovery.

Da 9:27

And he {j} shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to {k} cease, {l} and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(j) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(k) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(l) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Catholic Church Declared And Waged War Against Ukraine For Daring To Exit The EU

On November 21, 2013 Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych announced that his majority elected Ukraine government was abandoning an agreement that would strengthen ties with the Catholic Church founded European Union (originally founded by Pope Pius XII in 1942 as the European Economic Community or ECC -  as a  Catholic cooperation initiative, based on Catholic social teaching) and instead seek closer co-operation with Moscow. The Ukraine government’s new alliance with Russia was seen as a major public embarrassment for the Catholic Church.

It took the Catholic Church over 60 years to form the Vatican occupied Europe – the EU.  The Catholic Church wasn’t about to let one of its occupied European states to leave the Vatican Fourth Reich and ally itself with an arch enemy of the Catholic Church.   The Soviet Union helped Canada, the United States and Great Britain defeat the Catholic Church German Third Reich and prevented the Vatican from regrouping under a Fourth Reich by occupying East Germany for 45 years.

The Catholic Church ordered members of THE SOVEREIGN ORDER OF MALTA and the Ukrainian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church (UOGCC),  that was established in 2009 (the same year as the constitutional basis of the Catholic Church EU, the Treaty of Lisbon, came into force) by the Catholic Church, to take to the streets and defend the European Union economic interests of the Catholic Church Pope.  Members of the Ukrainian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church profess the Catholic faith, including the primacy of the Roman Pontiff (Petrus Romanus – Jorge Mario Bergoglio) and disassociated themselves from “contemporary heresies which destroy both the Eastern and the Western Church.”

The violent civil war in Ukraine was started by the Catholic Church and the newly installed antipope (a false claimant of the Holy See in opposition to a “living” canonically elected pontiff – Pope Benedict XVI) Francis who declared war against the democratically elected Ukraine government and the people of Ukraine for daring to exit the Catholic Church occupied European Union.   Members of the Sovereign Order of Malta were called upon by the Vatican to honor their oath to the Catholic Church and the Pope and wage war against the people and government of Ukraine.

November 30, 2013
Pro Catholic Church/EU supporters attempt to overthrow the Ukraine government through violent subversion.

Sunday December 1, 2013
Catholic parishers are urged to support the Catholic Church by protesting against the anti Catholic EU Ukraine government.  300,000 Catholics take to the streets in downtown Kyiv, Ukraine on the Catholic Church Sun god Sol Invictus day of worship.

December 9, 2013
Pro Catholic EU terrorists armed with improvised weapons take and occupy  city hall in Kyiv, Ukraine

December 17, 2013
Russian President Vladimir Putin announces that Moscow will buy $15 billion worth of Ukrainian government bonds and allow for a sharp drop in the price Ukrainians pay for Russian natural gas. This announcement infuriates the Catholic Church Pope as Catholic Church oil and gas interests in the region would suffer a major loss with this Ukraine friendly energy deal.

January 22, 2014
Two protesters die after being hit by Catholic Church terrorist sniper and the third after a fall during a confrontation between police and demonstrators manning barricades – the first shots and casualties of the Catholic Church war against Ukraine.

January 28, 2014
The prime minister is forced to resign and parliament is forced under duress to repeal the new anti-protest laws that set off the Catholic Church ordered deadly violence and attacks against the Ukraine government and people a week earlier. Both are imposed by the Catholic Church with the intent to seize control of the elected government of the Ukraine people.

January 31, 2014
Catholic Church terrorists begin kidnapping and torturing Ukrainian citizens to instill fear and anti-government sentiment.

February 16, 2014
Catholic Church terrorists end their occupation of Kyiv City Hall in exchange for the release of all 234 jailed Catholic Church terrorists.

February 18, 2014
Armed Catholic Church terrorists attack Ukraine police leaving at least 26 people, including 10 police officers dead and hundreds injured. The violence began when Catholic Church terrorists attacked police lines and set fires outside parliament after parliament stalls on taking up a Catholic Church imposed constitutional reform to limit presidential powers.

February 20, 2014
Hours after a truce is announced, armed Catholic Church terrorists attack protesters and police in Independence Square, Kyiv, Ukraine, with numerous casualties.

February 22, 2014
Armed Catholic Church terrorirts seize control of the capital of Kyiv by force, seizing the president’s office and forces the anti-EU Ukraine government, at gunpoint, to vote to remove democratically elected president Viktor Yanukovych and hold new elections. under EU mediation. The Catholic Church forces the Ukraine government, under duress and at gunpoint, to appoint Oleksander Turchinov as interim president.

88 people have been killed since 18 February in the Catholic Church provoked civil war in Ukraine.  Murdered by the Catholic Church because a trade deal with the Catholic Church controlled EU (occupied Europe) was spurned in favour of closer ties with Russia.


3 Comments for “Catholic Church declared and waged war against Ukraine for daring to exit the EU”

  1. The Italian government and Interpol has a legal duty and obligation to arrest antipope Francis for the crimes of sedition and treason against Ukraine. The Catholic Church is violating International, Ukrainian, Italian and EU law by unlawfully interfering with the right of the elected government of Ukraine to decide to exit the European Union. The Treaty of Lisbon provides for a mechanism for voluntary and unilateral withdrawal from the European Union. All European Union states have the “unilateral right” to withdraw from the European Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements. The Catholic Church incited violence and overthrew the elected Ukraine government. The actions of the Catholic Church against Ukraine are deemed by law to be acts of sedition and treason against Ukraine. Italian law defines treason as “crimes against the international personhood of the State such as Attempt against wholeness, independence and unity of the State (art.241), Hostilities against a foreign State bringing the Italian State in danger of war (art.244), Political or military espionage (art.257).” The illegally ousted Ukrainian government had the right to exit the EU. In accordance with the Treaty on European Union (Article 50): “Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.” In the past couple of days the United Kingdom government, another EU member state, has publicly stated that it too will also exercise that right.
  2. Catholic sniper
    Ukraine police did not kill 26 people, including 10 police officers and injure hundreds on February 18, 2014. Snipers loyal to the Catholic Church did as you can clearly see in the above photo. You can clearly see an anti-government terrorist trying to conceal himself by leaning up against a wall as a partner in the heinous crimes takes aim at the Ukrainian people. The Catholic Church has since used the illegal actions and killings by its loyal supporters to seize control of the EU exiting Ukrainian government. Similar images are available on the Internet as press release photos from various national news agencies. Elected Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych has since been made a fugitive by the Vatican for crimes terrorists loyal to the Catholic Church committed. The Vatican has ordered an international arrest warrant for Catholic Church ousted president Viktor Yanukovych. The Vatican seeks to frame Viktor Yanukovych with the “mass murder” of protesters by the Catholic Church’s own terrorists. The above image provides concrete evidence that forces loyal to the Catholic Church and its EU were armed with sniper rifles. There is reasonable cause to believe that the person aiming the rifle used it to kill people in Independence Square.
  3. Paul W Kincaid, CI, PRESS Core editor
    The EU was created as a result of the Reichskonkordat (Reich Concordat) treaty alliance between the Vatican (Holy See) and Adolf Hitler. The Concordat formed the Vatican Third Reich – Third Holy Roman Empire. The treaty alliance between the Holy See (Vatican) and Adolf Hitler was signed during Germany’s transition into Nazi Germany on July 20, 1933. It was signed by the Vatican’s Secretary of State Eugenio Pacelli (who very soon thereafter became Pope Pius XII) on behalf of Pope Pius XI and Vice Chancellor Franz von Papen and President Paul von Hindenburg on behalf of Adolf Hitler.
    The framework for the Vatican EU was first made public in Germany on 22nd June 1940 as the European Economic Community (EEC). The first EEC conference was held at the Berlin University (a Catholic university renamed Humboldt University of Berlin) in 1942. After the fall of the Vatican’s Third Reich (Third Holy Roman Empire), the Holy See changed the EEC ideology from Nazism to a Communist European Community in 1946.
    The Communist EEC wasn’t officially formed until the signing of the Vatican’s Treaty of Rome (Treaty establishing the European Economic Community) of 1957. However, it didn’t enter into force until 1993 – with the signing of the Maastricht Treaty at which time the EEC was renamed the European Community (EC) to reflect that it covered a wider range of policies. The three European Communities, including the EC, were collectively made to constitute the first of the three pillars of the European Union (EU). The EC existed in this form until it was abolished by the 2009 Treaty of Lisbon, which merged the EU’s former pillars and provided that the EU would “replace and succeed the European Community (EC).”

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